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		<title>By: Sheri Fitzgerald</title>
		<link>http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2009/08/evolution-diet-selling-food-with-fear-and-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-47233</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheri Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for your thoughtful input!</description>
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		<title>By: skeptvet</title>
		<link>http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2009/08/evolution-diet-selling-food-with-fear-and-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-47210</link>
		<dc:creator>skeptvet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your dilemma as I don&#039;t eat meat myself. Unfortunately, no one has ever successfully demonstrated than a diet with no animal protein can be safely fed to a cat long-term. A number that have appeared to be nutritionally balanced on paper led to heart disease when actually fed to cats. They are obligate carnivores and a number of essential nutrients simply don&#039;t occur in a useable form in plants. It might be theoretically possible using synthetic taurine and other such nutrients, but periodically I check with the nutrition specialists about this, and so far no one has succeeded. Some of the diets out there claim to be acceptable for cats, but then cases of cardiomyopathy and other deficiency diseases start showing up.

For dogs, it is probably possible to feed a vegan diet, though sometimes these diets are still supplemented with amino acids or D vitamins from animal sources, so depending on how strict you wish to be you may have to check with the company. I would suggest contacting a veterinary nutritionist, such as the Clinical Nutrition Service at the UC Davis vet school or pediets.com for advice (or depending on where you are the nearest veterinary school will likely have a board-certified nutritionist). 

Also, you might want to check out this site: http://skepticalvegan.wordpress.com/

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your dilemma as I don&#8217;t eat meat myself. Unfortunately, no one has ever successfully demonstrated than a diet with no animal protein can be safely fed to a cat long-term. A number that have appeared to be nutritionally balanced on paper led to heart disease when actually fed to cats. They are obligate carnivores and a number of essential nutrients simply don&#8217;t occur in a useable form in plants. It might be theoretically possible using synthetic taurine and other such nutrients, but periodically I check with the nutrition specialists about this, and so far no one has succeeded. Some of the diets out there claim to be acceptable for cats, but then cases of cardiomyopathy and other deficiency diseases start showing up.</p>
<p>For dogs, it is probably possible to feed a vegan diet, though sometimes these diets are still supplemented with amino acids or D vitamins from animal sources, so depending on how strict you wish to be you may have to check with the company. I would suggest contacting a veterinary nutritionist, such as the Clinical Nutrition Service at the UC Davis vet school or pediets.com for advice (or depending on where you are the nearest veterinary school will likely have a board-certified nutritionist). </p>
<p>Also, you might want to check out this site: <a href="http://skepticalvegan.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://skepticalvegan.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Sheri Fitzgerald</title>
		<link>http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2009/08/evolution-diet-selling-food-with-fear-and-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-47192</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheri Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 02:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a vegetarian myself, I&#039;ve been torn about feeding my pets (German shepherd and shorthaired cat) meat.  I know cats are carnivores, and I currently use Merrick&#039;s food for them because of the ingredient list.  I&#039;d been thinking of switching to the Evolution diet on the advice of a friend, but had not seen their website, and am glad I found this article!  But I wonder--are there any vegetarian pet foods out there that can give pets, especially cats, the nutrition they need?  (I ask this for ethical reasons, not because I think eating meat in organic products is &quot;dangerous&quot; for my animals.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a vegetarian myself, I&#8217;ve been torn about feeding my pets (German shepherd and shorthaired cat) meat.  I know cats are carnivores, and I currently use Merrick&#8217;s food for them because of the ingredient list.  I&#8217;d been thinking of switching to the Evolution diet on the advice of a friend, but had not seen their website, and am glad I found this article!  But I wonder&#8211;are there any vegetarian pet foods out there that can give pets, especially cats, the nutrition they need?  (I ask this for ethical reasons, not because I think eating meat in organic products is &#8220;dangerous&#8221; for my animals.)</p>
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		<title>By: skeptvet</title>
		<link>http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2009/08/evolution-diet-selling-food-with-fear-and-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-43654</link>
		<dc:creator>skeptvet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a vegetarian myself, so I don&#039;t care much for industrial meat production. That said, this food is marketed by fraud and misinformation from an individual who has made his career out of defaming others and violating the law (as you can see &lt;a href=&quot;http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2011/05/evolution-diet-update-selling-foood-with-fraud/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2011/06/mr-eric-weisman-promoter-of-evolution-diet-finally-prosecuted/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). Why on earth one could imagine it is somehow a healthier alternative to other commercial foods is hard to imagine. 

As for the implication that veterinarians might not be genuinely committed to pet health because they &quot;make a fortune on sick animals,&quot; this is offensive nonsense, pure and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a vegetarian myself, so I don&#8217;t care much for industrial meat production. That said, this food is marketed by fraud and misinformation from an individual who has made his career out of defaming others and violating the law (as you can see <a href="http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2011/05/evolution-diet-update-selling-foood-with-fraud/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2011/06/mr-eric-weisman-promoter-of-evolution-diet-finally-prosecuted/" rel="nofollow">here</a>). Why on earth one could imagine it is somehow a healthier alternative to other commercial foods is hard to imagine. </p>
<p>As for the implication that veterinarians might not be genuinely committed to pet health because they &#8220;make a fortune on sick animals,&#8221; this is offensive nonsense, pure and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently considering Evolution Diet for my cat.  Meat produced in factory farms is not fit for man or beast.  I have been down the pet food road for a while and I felt this post was biased.  There have been quite a few recalls on cat food; I know Authority nearly killed my cat.  Lack of quality in people food is pandemic of course it&#039;s only going to be far worse for pets.  Is it any wonder vets make a fortune on sick animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently considering Evolution Diet for my cat.  Meat produced in factory farms is not fit for man or beast.  I have been down the pet food road for a while and I felt this post was biased.  There have been quite a few recalls on cat food; I know Authority nearly killed my cat.  Lack of quality in people food is pandemic of course it&#8217;s only going to be far worse for pets.  Is it any wonder vets make a fortune on sick animals.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Garding</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Garding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 13:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey- I got an idea. Put this Mr Wise-man on a  tea party republican ticket with our beloved Michelle Bachman. She is another one who never lets the truth get in the way of a good lie. They could make beautiful music together or at least a ---load of money which is really the main goal behind all their blabber.  But, as they say, there is a sucker born every millesecond, and I&#039;m afraid this blog is reaching very few of them. Sorry I can&#039;t be more &quot;Minnesota Nice&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey- I got an idea. Put this Mr Wise-man on a  tea party republican ticket with our beloved Michelle Bachman. She is another one who never lets the truth get in the way of a good lie. They could make beautiful music together or at least a &#8212;load of money which is really the main goal behind all their blabber.  But, as they say, there is a sucker born every millesecond, and I&#8217;m afraid this blog is reaching very few of them. Sorry I can&#8217;t be more &#8220;Minnesota Nice&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: skeptvet</title>
		<link>http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2009/08/evolution-diet-selling-food-with-fear-and-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-23041</link>
		<dc:creator>skeptvet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad your cats are doing well, but for reasons that are at the heart of what this blog is about, that isn&#039;t a reliable guide to whether or not this product is truly beneficial or the marketing points behind it are true. There is not a single medical or nutritional intervention, no matter how preposterous or how demonstrably ineffective or harmful,  that has not had positive testimonials to support it. So either everything works, or testimonials aren&#039;t reliable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad your cats are doing well, but for reasons that are at the heart of what this blog is about, that isn&#8217;t a reliable guide to whether or not this product is truly beneficial or the marketing points behind it are true. There is not a single medical or nutritional intervention, no matter how preposterous or how demonstrably ineffective or harmful,  that has not had positive testimonials to support it. So either everything works, or testimonials aren&#8217;t reliable.</p>
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		<title>By: Petr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have switched my cats&#039; (all four of them) to Evolution Diet about 5 months ago. Cats are more fit and agile now. One cat&#039;s poop used to smell pretty bad, now it doesn&#039;t have that quality. I also let them digest food thoroughly so I don&#039;t feed them every 2 hours and they don&#039;t have a full bowl all the time. I give feed them 2 times a day and it results in proper digestion. I wish more stores would carry these products so I wouldn&#039;t have to pay shipping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have switched my cats&#8217; (all four of them) to Evolution Diet about 5 months ago. Cats are more fit and agile now. One cat&#8217;s poop used to smell pretty bad, now it doesn&#8217;t have that quality. I also let them digest food thoroughly so I don&#8217;t feed them every 2 hours and they don&#8217;t have a full bowl all the time. I give feed them 2 times a day and it results in proper digestion. I wish more stores would carry these products so I wouldn&#8217;t have to pay shipping.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cats are at least more resilient than ferrets. What gets me is their ferret food is basically made from grain - which is like feeding death in a bag to a ferret. They cannot digest it or gain any nutrients from grains or vegetables because their digestive tracts are so short and vegetables and grains are too hard to break down in the 3-4 hours that food passes through them. Cats are also obligate carnivores and I&#039;d never feed them this crap either, but at they can at least some nutrients over the course of digestion. Any kibble I buy must be grain free, with high fat and protein content, and for ferrets it must be animal protein and fat, as they can&#039;t absorb it from any other sources. I can&#039;t believe it&#039;s actually legal for them to sell this, and I hope no ferrets are forced to eat this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cats are at least more resilient than ferrets. What gets me is their ferret food is basically made from grain &#8211; which is like feeding death in a bag to a ferret. They cannot digest it or gain any nutrients from grains or vegetables because their digestive tracts are so short and vegetables and grains are too hard to break down in the 3-4 hours that food passes through them. Cats are also obligate carnivores and I&#8217;d never feed them this crap either, but at they can at least some nutrients over the course of digestion. Any kibble I buy must be grain free, with high fat and protein content, and for ferrets it must be animal protein and fat, as they can&#8217;t absorb it from any other sources. I can&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s actually legal for them to sell this, and I hope no ferrets are forced to eat this.</p>
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		<title>By: skeptvet</title>
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		<dc:creator>skeptvet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the detailed response. Unfortunately, there are a lot of misconceptions in there.

First, what is a &quot;toxin?&quot; This is a word freely and sloppily used. Of course, nothing is toxic in small enough quantities (which is why you can get away with making homeopathic remedies out of poisons), and everything is toxic, including water and oxygen, if you take in enough of it. The word is most reasonably used of substances that cause ill effects at quantities one might reasonably be expected to be exposed to under normal circumstances. So, is beef from cows fed grain a toxin? No, of course not. Grain is a natural food for ruminant, and they eat it readily (no one is force feeding it to beef cattle, apart from the veal issue). Too much, however, can cause health problems, such as rumen acidosis. What domestic cattle might eat in the wild is, of course, a pointless question since selective breding over thousands of years have altered their physiology so far from wild ancestors that the notion of what is &quot;natural&quot; for a domestic cow is meaningless.

Finding the balance between maximizing growth and avoiding such problems is a big part of the job of modern cattle ranchers and dairy farmers. Now, I happen to be a vegetarian, and I don&#039;t care for the practices of industrial agriculture on a number of levels, but the argument that beef from grain-fed cattle is toxic because this is an &quot;unnatural&quot; food for them is simply not true. Research on the putative health benefits of organically produced foods &lt;a href=&quot;http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2009/08/nutritional-and-health-benefits-of-organically-grown-food/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;doesn&#039;t support the claim that these are healthier&lt;/a&gt;, though there can be environmental benefits to such production methods. 

As for antibiotics, growth hormones, and other medications given to beef cattle, there are definately some potential problems there, though I think most people who comment as you have on the health of these practices don&#039;t know much about the details, or the extreme lengths to which regulators and most ranchers go to avoid contaminating the human food chain. The question of which parts of the cow are used for pet food manufacture is one I have dealt with in several posts, particularly &lt;a href=&quot;http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2009/07/pet-food-nutrition-myths/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pet Food Nutrition Myths&lt;/a&gt;. The idea that some parts of the cow are toxic and others aren&#039;t is irrational. Some may have more nutritional value than others for dogs, but even these arguments are usually a mischaracterization since the nutritional value of commercial foods as a whole are well-understood and documented, and the sources of particular nutrients doesn&#039;t have the mystical &quot;good&quot; and &quot;bad&quot; value people such as the marketers of Evolution Diet like to claim.

As for your comments about your cat, there is too much nonsense in there to even deal with. Your cat gained weight because he was fed too much, not because there was chicken meal in the food. Chicken meal is just a description of the very parts of a bird that a cat east when they can catch one, so where you get this hysterical stuff about a &quot;nuclear reactor&quot; I have no idea. Food addiction?! Give me a break! We all have a food addiction. Ever try to go without food for an extende time. I see many, many lean healthy cats fed commercial diets of appropriate nutritional value and in appropriate quantity. The blame for the obeisity epidemic goes strictly on we pet owners and how much we feed our pets, not on the ingredients in the diets we use. And do you really mean to suggest you think people&#039;s cats wouldn&#039;t be interested in cuddling or happy to see their owners if they aren&#039;t feeding this diet?! 

As for interstitial cystitis and urinary tract obstruction, this is a poorly understood syndrome with lost of risk factors but no discretely identifiable cause, so unfortunately people are free to make up all sorts of things about it. Most of the commercial diets for treatment of this problem have pretty limited data supporting the contention that they prevent recurrence, but there is even less information to suggest alternative diets are beneficial, so you are essentially suggesting going from something that probably helps a little to something that might help, might do nothing, or might even make the problem worse. 

Everyone&#039;s entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. And the facts are not on the side of most of your opinions here. Still, I appreciate the detailed and civil disagreement, and I think it&#039;s important for people to be able to see the strengths and weaknesses of argumetns on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the detailed response. Unfortunately, there are a lot of misconceptions in there.</p>
<p>First, what is a &#8220;toxin?&#8221; This is a word freely and sloppily used. Of course, nothing is toxic in small enough quantities (which is why you can get away with making homeopathic remedies out of poisons), and everything is toxic, including water and oxygen, if you take in enough of it. The word is most reasonably used of substances that cause ill effects at quantities one might reasonably be expected to be exposed to under normal circumstances. So, is beef from cows fed grain a toxin? No, of course not. Grain is a natural food for ruminant, and they eat it readily (no one is force feeding it to beef cattle, apart from the veal issue). Too much, however, can cause health problems, such as rumen acidosis. What domestic cattle might eat in the wild is, of course, a pointless question since selective breding over thousands of years have altered their physiology so far from wild ancestors that the notion of what is &#8220;natural&#8221; for a domestic cow is meaningless.</p>
<p>Finding the balance between maximizing growth and avoiding such problems is a big part of the job of modern cattle ranchers and dairy farmers. Now, I happen to be a vegetarian, and I don&#8217;t care for the practices of industrial agriculture on a number of levels, but the argument that beef from grain-fed cattle is toxic because this is an &#8220;unnatural&#8221; food for them is simply not true. Research on the putative health benefits of organically produced foods <a href="http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2009/08/nutritional-and-health-benefits-of-organically-grown-food/" rel="nofollow">doesn&#8217;t support the claim that these are healthier</a>, though there can be environmental benefits to such production methods. </p>
<p>As for antibiotics, growth hormones, and other medications given to beef cattle, there are definately some potential problems there, though I think most people who comment as you have on the health of these practices don&#8217;t know much about the details, or the extreme lengths to which regulators and most ranchers go to avoid contaminating the human food chain. The question of which parts of the cow are used for pet food manufacture is one I have dealt with in several posts, particularly <a href="http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2009/07/pet-food-nutrition-myths/" rel="nofollow">Pet Food Nutrition Myths</a>. The idea that some parts of the cow are toxic and others aren&#8217;t is irrational. Some may have more nutritional value than others for dogs, but even these arguments are usually a mischaracterization since the nutritional value of commercial foods as a whole are well-understood and documented, and the sources of particular nutrients doesn&#8217;t have the mystical &#8220;good&#8221; and &#8220;bad&#8221; value people such as the marketers of Evolution Diet like to claim.</p>
<p>As for your comments about your cat, there is too much nonsense in there to even deal with. Your cat gained weight because he was fed too much, not because there was chicken meal in the food. Chicken meal is just a description of the very parts of a bird that a cat east when they can catch one, so where you get this hysterical stuff about a &#8220;nuclear reactor&#8221; I have no idea. Food addiction?! Give me a break! We all have a food addiction. Ever try to go without food for an extende time. I see many, many lean healthy cats fed commercial diets of appropriate nutritional value and in appropriate quantity. The blame for the obeisity epidemic goes strictly on we pet owners and how much we feed our pets, not on the ingredients in the diets we use. And do you really mean to suggest you think people&#8217;s cats wouldn&#8217;t be interested in cuddling or happy to see their owners if they aren&#8217;t feeding this diet?! </p>
<p>As for interstitial cystitis and urinary tract obstruction, this is a poorly understood syndrome with lost of risk factors but no discretely identifiable cause, so unfortunately people are free to make up all sorts of things about it. Most of the commercial diets for treatment of this problem have pretty limited data supporting the contention that they prevent recurrence, but there is even less information to suggest alternative diets are beneficial, so you are essentially suggesting going from something that probably helps a little to something that might help, might do nothing, or might even make the problem worse. </p>
<p>Everyone&#8217;s entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. And the facts are not on the side of most of your opinions here. Still, I appreciate the detailed and civil disagreement, and I think it&#8217;s important for people to be able to see the strengths and weaknesses of argumetns on both sides.</p>
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